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August 1st, 2009 § 5 comments

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  • A-bo says:

    Convenient for Schilling he is now in the everybody-was-doing-it-lets-move-on camp. Costas is a prick. What are his metrics for saying Texas was the clear league leader in massive steroid abuse? And as far as his argument that you cannot devalue championships because Texas didn’t win anything during that period, Texas won the west in 96, 98 and 99.

  • Hopp says:

    You’re not being defensive because you’re a Rangers fan, are you? Jk, jk. Anecdotally, it sure seems like Texas was the epicenter of the steroid era, with Canseco, Palmeiro, A-Rod, Sosa as known offenders off of the top of my head. The argument against that is that we don’t know the full extent of who used roids, so the jury is still out on who the “clear leader” was. Perhaps a 30-way tie will be the outcome.

  • A-bo says:

    He’s making a big speculation which might be ok but his entire premise is flawed unless 99 is pre-steroid era (98 was the HR race) or unless you adopt the philosophy you win it all or nothing.

    True each of those players played in Texas. Sosa was traded to the White Sox in ’89 so he’s definitely a stretch. None, except for maybe Palmeiro, will be wearing the Texas “T” if they were inducted into the HOF. According to wikipedia, there’s only two Texas players that have been suspended for PEDS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_players_suspended_for_performance-enhancing_drugs

  • Hopp says:

    True enough on Sosa. I had forgotten how little time he spent with Texas.

    Not sure if you’re proposing a standard for whether you should associate a player with a particular team based on what the player would wear at Cooperstown. If so, that standard doesn’t work for me, given player movement.

    One player came to mind that, I believe, has been left out of any smoking gun steroid conversations: Juan Gonzalez (Texas ’89-’99). Maybe he was clean, but more likely that just reflects the incomplete nature of disclosures to date. If we go off of that Bill James article that I sent you, perhaps 80% of players were using steroids at the peak. Even 50% would make you think that any power hitter was on something.

    A guest columnist at Rob Neyer’s blog had this post today:
    http://myespn.go.com/blogs/sweetspot/0-4-144/More-fuel-for-the-Yankees-Red-Sox-fire.html

    Key quote: “There was a palpable sense of disillusionment for many Red Sox fans last week. Manny Ramirez was old news. But Ortiz, the lovable Big Papi, the organization’s greatest clutch hitter since Yaz, was something else. If Ortiz used PEDs, is nothing sacred?

    The answer is: of course not. If Red Sox fans actually believed that the 2004 and 2007 championships were somehow “pure,” they were fooling themselves. How can you cherry pick a “clean” team from the last twenty some odd years with a straight face? I understand why they wouldn’t want to believe that Ortiz had used PEDs, but if anyone has a stat line that merits suspicion, it is Ortiz.”

  • A-bo says:

    Good points. With the hall of fame hat thing, I was just saying even those players played for Texas they are more associated with other teams so the fact they are linked to PEDs doesn’t mean you should focus just on Texas.

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